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Shortage of beans worries Starbucks

Postby Joey » Tue Apr 20, 2004 5:04 pm

Got this from a friend yesterday: :twisted:

Shortage of beans worries Starbucks
By Allison Linn
Associated Press

SEATTLE — The coffee urns at Starbucks Corp. aren't likely to run dry anytime soon, but the company is worried that its brisk growth could create a big problem: finding enough high-quality beans to satisfy increasing demand for its lattes and macchiatos.


The Seattle-based coffee retailer is rapidly expanding, opening more
than three stores a day and planning to more than triple the number it
operates to around 25,000 worldwide.

"Clearly we're concerned, at our company growth rate, that there's
going to be enough high quality, Starbucks-quality coffee available,"
said Willard "Dub" Hay, the company's senior vice president for coffee.

It's not that Starbucks is using up all the world's coffee; the company
said it only buys around 2 percent of the coffee produced. But
Starbucks is a major buyer of high-quality coffee, and there is much
less of that to go around.

To get the beans it wants, Starbucks has always been willing to pay
extra — currently, an average of $1.20 per pound. That's as much as
twice the market rate, said Ted Lingle, executive director for the
Specialty Coffee Association, a trade group.

But, as its needs increase, Starbucks is learning that paying more
won't guarantee it all the beans it needs. To solve its future supply
problems, Starbucks said it needs to help farmers grow better coffee.

So the company has opened what it calls a farmer support office in
Costa Rica, one of the world's biggest coffee producers.

"There's a lot of specialty coffee out there," said Peter Torrebiarte,
general manager of the Costa Rica office. "It's just a matter of
finding it."

Search for suppliers

Beginning with the office in Costa Rica, Starbucks hopes to eventually
employ a fleet of agronomists, or specialists who deal with crop
production and soil management. Armed with laptops and four-wheel drive
vehicles, they will search the region for potential suppliers and help
farmers who want to grow coffee for Starbucks get their crops up to
par.

Starbucks also is revamping a program, called CAFE Practices, that
rewards coffee suppliers who make environmental improvements. The
concern is that the coffee farms won't be able to continue producing
high-quality coffee in years to come if they don't reduce agrochemical
use, conserve energy and otherwise improve how they treat the land
coffee is farmed on.

Starbucks also wants farms to treat workers better, paying them more
and giving them access to housing, water and sanitary facilities, and
to stop using child labor.

"You can't have a sustainable (farm) if you're mistreating workers and
mistreating the environment," Hay said.

Starbucks will pay 5 cents more per pound for one year to suppliers who
meet 80 percent of its social and environmental criteria. Suppliers can
receive two more one-year price increases if they make other big
improvements.

Hay said the company also is leading the program because "we want
Starbucks to be known for doing the right thing."

Fair Trade guidelines

The company has been targeted by social and environmental activists who
complain about everything from its growing worldwide pervasiveness to
its coffee-buying practices. Although some activists have applauded the
company's recent efforts, others still criticize the CAFE Practices
program for not going far enough to help farms survive.

"What we would like to see Starbucks do is really use its power to
transform the industry," said Melissa Schweisguth of the activist group
Global Exchange. It wants Starbucks to buy more coffee under what are
called Fair Trade guidelines, which promote better wages and working
conditions and ask buyers to pay a minimum of $1.26 per pound of
coffee.

Starbucks said it is a large purchaser of Fair Trade coffee, but that
there isn't enough that meets its quality standards.

Chris Wille, chief of sustainable agriculture for the environmental
group Rainforest Alliance, praised the company's effort to understand
environmental concerns in coffee-growing countries, such as wildlife
protection and reducing chemical use. It's an attitude he said is
catching on across the coffee industry.

Kraft Foods recently started a partnership with the Rainforest
Alliance, and Procter & Gamble has started selling a line of coffee
that meets Fair Trade standards.

"All the companies are waking up," said Wille. "It's a new day for
coffee-roasting and coffee-selling, as well as coffee-producing."

Some of Starbucks' customers will certainly applaud efforts to be more
environmentally or socially responsible, said Carl Sibilski, an equity
analyst with Chicago-based Morningstar. But he said the biggest
advantage of such programs is that the farmers will grow better coffee.

"In the end, I think what it comes down to is the supply issue," said
Sibilski. "Of course it's ethical to keep your supplier in good shape,
but the one that's going to benefit from this the most is Starbucks."

Starbucks brushes off any concerns about the cost of its programs.

"Our concern is having enough great quality coffee in the world," said
Hay. "That's a bigger concern than our bottom line right now."
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Postby Raf » Tue Apr 20, 2004 5:22 pm

Interesting, Joey. (I just hope the author doesn't find us! ;) )
This week I am eagerly anticipating the first god shots from my La Spaziale machine....

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Postby Danny » Tue Apr 20, 2004 6:28 pm

Wow, what a PR job.... The choice quotes for me:

It's not that Starbucks is using up all the world's coffee; the company
said it only buys around 2 percent of the coffee produced. But
Starbucks is a major buyer of high-quality coffee, and there is much
less of that to go around.


If they want to use good coffee, why dont they deliver the goods to the client, instead of allowing barista's to make dodgy espresso. Or even worse, replacing normal machines with Super-Auto's.

Starbucks also wants farms to treat workers better, paying them more
and giving them access to housing, water and sanitary facilities, and
to stop using child labor.


I guess they learned the Nike lesson :)

I wonder how big their PR dept is.. I bet it's as big as McDonalds... ;)
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Postby phil » Tue Apr 20, 2004 10:20 pm

If they're using top notch coffee it should be a criminal offence for them to cremate it like they do before selling it :evil:
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Postby Joey » Tue Apr 20, 2004 11:42 pm

Yep, right. IMO they can use the cheaper mass production coffee - the way they are overroasting it kills every special character of the beans anyway - so why pay for expensive speciality coffee? (I'm a bit harsh now - I have to admit they still have better coffee then most of the Austrian coffee shops.)
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Postby Sunnyfield » Sun May 02, 2004 2:18 pm

That is quite bad news. It is bad news for coffee varieties. The same thing has happened in many other agricultural products. Mass-production of quality coffeebeans will result in fewer species and blander tastes. Ask the Germans about Dutch tomatoes!

I really hope that the market for speciality coffee is big and profitable enough to resist mass-production, but I fear it isn't.
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Postby Steve » Thu May 06, 2004 8:08 am

I think the specilty coffee martket is developed enough to understand that if they do mass produce, then they take away there USP (unique selling point). Its the individual tastes and distinct differences that keep us all involved in it .... isnt it.

You only have to talk to some of the importers to see how important it is. (just and opinion again, im full of them today) :)
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Give Starbucks A Break

Postby mattb » Tue Jun 29, 2004 10:56 am

I think people are way too quick to judge Starbucks. Putting it simply, at least they are trying to do the right thing, and in many cases are succeeding in doing the right thing. Kraft food, and Gamble and Procter take a larger quantity of the worlds coffee than Starbucks does, yet does not offer quality coffee or the committment to the environment and social aspects of coffee production that Starbucks does and yet receives little bad press. If you visit www.maketradefair.com there is a lot of information of the work that Oxfam has pushed large companies of coffee, coco beans and sugar beet to meet higher trading standards.
They roast their coffee for longer as they believe it tastes better, but this is at a big cost to themselves as the beans are smaller after all the roasting, and therefore requires more beans to reach the same weight as less roasted beans. If they was entirely interested in money only, and giving only what the customer wants and sacrificing what they believe is the best way of processing coffee, they would roast for less time. Not everyone appreciates different roasts and tastes, we are all individual.
If all the work that they do is just to gain publicity, so what, if it means that the coffee farmers and the environment benefit from the the way commercialism operates, I think that it is a small price to pay.
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Postby mattmills » Tue Jun 29, 2004 11:48 am

I have say that my experience with Starbucks in Costa Rica, rally opened my eyes. They pay far more that the price stated in the article, and are willing to pay more than three times the amount that European roasters will. Please note that this is also far greater than the supposed fairtrade.
I do feel that it is a great shame that they have to carry the Fairtrade mark as the some of the work that the company is doing really puts it into perspective. The quality is incredible and so is the price.

Where i think that it all falls down is trying to ensure that Starbucks satisfy everyone, most people, especially in this country, have no idea on how coffee should taste, and therefore there is no point in supplying the most delicate of flavours to a public who can not appreciate them, or even like them.

(sorry for the rant)
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Postby phil » Tue Jun 29, 2004 12:10 pm

To be blunt I think Starbucks may well buy wonderful coffees and pay a fair price. So what? Dog in the manger - they stop the rest of us getting a look in and actually tasting the stuff. I'm very happy that they're treating their suppliers fairly - but an evil part of me suspects that that's more for marketing reasons than ethical ones. I work for the second biggest oil company in the world. "Ethics" and "green" are things I hear every day - but I'm quite convinced my employer only focusses on these things because they think it improves the likelihood of the public buying their product.

In my experience Starbucks don't provide a gourmet coffee service to their customers. In the several branches I have tried over the years the coffee is uniformly over-roasted beyond the point of being able to taste any varietal flavours. I've tried drip, espresso - you name it - in my desperation I've given lots of Starbucks stores the opportunity to serve me coffee, and they've served instead an aqueous suspension of ground charcoal. Sunnyfield says he thinks that the drip is sometimes marginally better - but I haven't been able to confirm that on the occasions that we've drunk a cup together.

I feel that I should apologise to a degree to our (most welcome) new member mattb, but I'm telling it like it is. From a customer perspective, Starbucks
  • Sell a product which is a lifestyle, not a gourmet drink
  • Sell a product which is uniformly roasted so that you can always tell it's Starbucks, but rarely that it's coffee
  • Are principally in the business of pushing miilk, not coffee


Wanna pick up the challenge Matt?

(Foot note after the event - I meant Matt B here, but Matt Mills responded)

(And btw you are most sincerely welcome in TMC as someone who is interested in coffee - but sticking up for Starbucks is something that is really going to generate discussion!)

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Postby mattmills » Tue Jun 29, 2004 1:49 pm

Phil, i think that you are being a little unfair, and maybe missing the point (or i am).

Firstly i agree that i am sure that the majority of what is done is for marketing reasons, but in truth who cares. If good is being done... which it is for all concerned, including the speciality coffee market, then it doesnt really matter the reasoning behind it. If people are able to be living better lives then great, and especially if it means that better coffee is being produced.

Secondly, the coffee that is being sold is not targeted at you or any of us. With a limited amount of knowledge, we are fortunate to know what we are looking for, and i dare to say that deep down Starbucks couldnt give a dam whether we like it or not. When we want a decent cup we know where to go.

Again io couldnt agree more with the lifestyle point, however, i am not going to complain if it means that more people get to drink coffee or know about coffee. I treat starbucks as a gate way for people. yes they might drink milk on the whole, but at least they are starting to drink coffee, and as theyv are taught more they will become more concerning.
The other point is that coffee on the whole is a life style drink. Most Italians would not really know the difference between espressos, and for them it is like a little break.


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Postby phil » Tue Jun 29, 2004 2:50 pm

copied from an email reply to Matt Mills

My point is - OK you can find some good to say about Charbux in that they treat growers well, for whatever reason.

But from the point of view of the gourmet coffee market, they are a plague. They simultaneously raise the awareness of something called "coffee" and make the average punter think that it's charcoal. Or milk. :-(

If they want to sell charcoal / milk and people want to buy it - fine. But why use the best coffees, nuked out of all recognition, thereby depriving people who really like *coffee* (and who would be extremely happy to pay a fair price, for genuine reasons).

Why not instead develop the theme of coffee? Yesterday during a fire alarm my boss and I had a quick meeting in Charbux (it's immediately opposite the office). I noticed advertising about African coffees - I think they were advertising that they sold Sidamo and a Kenyan. This is actually halfway there. Why not go the other half and actually sell this stuff, sympathetically roasted and prepared, so that people can taste the difference?

After all, wine bars don't sell Liebfraumilch as their primary product. They sell a range (even if it is mostly Aussie Chardonnay and Shiraz :-( )
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Postby mattmills » Tue Jun 29, 2004 3:44 pm

I do agree in all that you are saying, but dont give the industry too much credit. it is still in very early days in this country. Plus, starbucks is not a coffee shop for coffee lovers, but it can act as a trigger (although i do appreciate what you are saying about the charcol). But drinking everything with so much milk hides the majority of the taste.

Dont forget that it did take a while for the wine industry to take hold. And you do need something or someone to kick start everything. If it wasnt for starbucks there would be far fewer high quality coffee shops.

Oh one final point... with regards to the high quality coffees. By buying the best coffees availiable, it has encouraged many other farmers who were previously only supplying comercial grade coffees to inprove the quality in an attempt to attract starbucks. It is therefore incresing the average quality for us all. Before this development, it wasd far harder for us to come across high qulaity coffees.
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Postby Joey » Tue Jun 29, 2004 8:12 pm

yipiiee!
I love discussions about starbucks! Because although the fresh roasted coffee from my microroaster is much better - if I'm in the city and have to meet for a cup of coffee, I'd still rather visit starbucks then any Vienneese Coffee House.
Yes, the coffee is burnt, but when I'm at a Starbucks I drink Frappuccinos or heavy latte macchiatos with lots of caramel - no need for gourmet coffee here.
It's the ambience I like, the sofas, the music, the colors and most of all the nice customer service which is totally missing here in Vienna. (they bring a bowl of water for my dog, if you have to wait more then 2 minutes for the drink you get a voucher for a free coffee, they are always smiling, etc...)
And Starbucks conquering Vienna helps me being succsesful in my future coffee shop: People know more drinks/recipies, people know there are more kinds of beans, and they are shocked about the prices, he, he. Easy game for me.

And as far as I know, Starbucks doesn't say "we have gourmet coffee" - their mission statement is:
*Provide a great work environment and treat each other with respect and dignity. can't be bad

*Embrace diversity as an essential component in the way we do business. done

*Apply the highest standards of excellence to the purchasing, roasting and fresh delivery of our coffee. well, they do better then any many coffee houses, and you can always argue about taste. And for now, WE are still a minority. But I think they are reacting on the fact that more and more people are willing to pay more for special coffees - in the USA they started the "black apron" coffees! http://www.starbucks.com/ourcoffees/black_apron.asp

*Develop enthusiastically satisfied customers all of the time. I am satisfied, indeed

*Contribute positively to our communities and our environment. hmmm, can't proof that

*Recognize that profitability is essential to our future success. yadayada

Ok, so I don't drink espressos there cause it's sour. In a restaurant you also can't like everything they serve. Although it sounds like I love Starbucks - I just try to see both sides. I also heard the story about them making lots of farmers planting coffee fields, and then not buying them, just to make the coffee price cheaper.... I can't proof that, sounds mean though

Well, this was my little contribution to the fourbucks theme :D
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Postby Steve » Tue Jun 29, 2004 10:18 pm

OK I worried this may happen and it has, so here goes, I make no apologies for this to any one as its an opinion and not personal.

I take umbrage at this

They pay far more that the price stated in the article, and are willing to pay more than three times the amount that European roasters will.


Rubbish. I'll pay for quality I won't just pay a high price because its ethical which I think Charbucks will. Market forces will dictate a fair price if quality is also present. I won't pay big bucks for crap. If you want to give to charity you should contribute to Oxfam. In life people will pay for quality and the farmer will get a good price, thats why it's become so important.

most people, especially in this country, have no idea on how coffee should taste,



That's mostly due to char$'s attempt at showing us what it should taste like. They do a great disservice to quality coffee.
Firstly I agree that I am sure that the majority of what is done is for marketing reasons, but in truth who cares.


I care I want quality not lip service I want good being done because the farmer gives a shit.

I am not going to complain if it means that more people get to drink coffee or know about coffee


So selling crap overroasted coffee is good for the business?
it has encouraged many other farmers who were previously only supplying comercial grade coffees to inprove the quality in an attempt to attract starbucks. It is therefore increasing the average quality for us all. Before this development, it was far harder for us to come across high qulaity coffees.

I think it's far more complex than Starbucks did good here Matt. I think lots of things have happened to raise quality not just Char$'s


Sorry for the rant and its over but its pushed a couple of buttons here. No offence :)
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