Too Much Coffee

Anonymous wrote:why thankyou RobC I am pleased to be a part of the community, are you and DaveC brothers?

Were all brothers and sisters here

Oh yes....some of my favourite people, and 4 of my many favourites from the brotherhood and siterhood

Damm Latte Art (kingseven)...............Mr I'll never upgrade you can't make me George

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Mac Man (looking well roasted) Steve.................A certain Scottish Members coffee from his new Andreja Premium (Mr Cappa)....and of course our delectable Beaniebabe

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Yes I know this is just gratuitous.....but I can't help it!

Given that you are thinking of giving me your Alex I can't be too offensive so...yes, it does look like a younger version of me but the "G" clamp on my head is plain silly.
Ok...ok....there is a bolt through there but honestly that's all.

Hope I didn't overcook the chicken for you this aft Bro...

Anonymous wrote:why thankyou RobC I am pleased to be a part of the community, are you and DaveC brothers?

Dave and Rob "C" The evil twins of TMC
Guest (it would help, or merely be polite if we could address you with a more personal name, be it only a nickname), before questioning Rob's judgement on a machine, you might want to have a look at just some of the machines he has in his shed

gouezeri wrote:

Anonymous wrote:why thankyou RobC I am pleased to be a part of the community, are you and DaveC brothers?

Dave and Rob "C" The evil twins of TMC
Guest (it would help, or merely be polite if we could address you with a more personal name, be it only a nickname), before questioning Rob's judgement on a machine, you might want to have a look at just some of the machines he has in his shed

Dom....I know you posted these pictures of Rob's shed with the best of intentions but be aware that they tend to make me feel very queasy.

yes you can call me dave, I was questioning DaveC not RobC, i understood robs answer but daves seemed conflicting, saying it will cope with commercial amounts then saying that it comes with pressure designed for domestic use and it would have to be changed for commercial use.

a bit confusing really, i will join soon.

Anonymous wrote:yes you can call me dave, I was questioning DaveC not RobC, i understood robs answer but daves seemed conflicting, saying it will cope with commercial amounts then saying that it comes with pressure designed for domestic use and it would have to be changed for commercial use.

a bit confusing really, i will join soon.

lol

actualy i believe they come with the pressure set at one thats designed for small commercial use.. but its the lowerd ( its a 30 sec job) by the very nice people at bellabarista to a pressure more suited for home use .. (as most people do buy them for home use)
if it was plumbed in id see it having no difficulty with a small shop or general light commercial use.... its built like a tank and very well made with commercial parts...

Anonymous wrote:actualy i believe they come with the pressure set at one thats designed for small commercial use.. but its the lowerd ( its a 30 sec job) by the very nice people at bellabarista to a pressure more suited for home use .. (as most people do buy them for home use)
if it was plumbed in id see it having no difficulty with a small shop or general light commercial use.... its built like a tank and very well made with commercial parts...

Yes you are correct, they were coming from the factory at 1.5 bar, I think Izzo now ship them pre-set to BB at the lower recommended pressures for domestic use. BB tweak them back up to around 1.5 bar if they are going into a light commercial environment.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I would "see suitable for light commercial use" as a disadvantage in the typical home. I assume that this means it has a short recovery time and would need flushing after only a short time to keep the brew temp down, meaning regular and inconvenient fill ups.

I'm amazed at the Andreja's ability to stay at around brew temps for longish periods, i.e. up to 4-5 minutes idle and if flushed no water dance. This presumably means the shot to shot temp is pretty consistant

Whoops sorry the above was me, Nickr not signed in

Anonymous wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong, but I would "see suitable for light commercial use" as a disadvantage in the typical home. I assume that this means it has a short recovery time and would need flushing after only a short time to keep the brew temp down, meaning regular and inconvenient fill ups.

I'm amazed at the Andreja's ability to stay at around brew temps for longish periods, i.e. up to 4-5 minutes idle and if flushed no water dance. This presumably means the shot to shot temp is pretty consistant

Well...I can't bend the laws of Physics I am afraid Nick, for either the Alex or the Andreja. Alex has a big boiler and more powerful heating element, lowering the pressure directly affects the boiler temperature. yes you have to flush at lower pressures....but not really any more than your average domestic HX.

The Andreja reacts the way it does because of the vertical boiler and relatively large amount of HX unit presumably in the water. I agree the Andreja is less likely to need flushing in short runs of espresso even if you wait a few minutes or so between shots.....but that is another issue entirely. It's advantage is it allows you to profile your shots temperatures for different blends should you want to. the disadvantage of course...if you pull shots too quickly it gets too cool and the shots are sour (but you would have to be pulling them quite fast). That said...I do like the way the UK Andrejas are set up, as they have more flexibility than a machine always running on the hotter brew temp side, as many HX's do.

Of course I have my latest 2 new test machines arriving tomorrow, am looking forward to it, have been for a while now...should be interesting! And no these are not jolly jape machines this time

With most machines there is some sort of compromise somewhere. if it's not function it's asthetics, or the type of pump etc.. etc..What you need is a domestic machine that combines the features like rotary pump, good looks, brew temperature control, plumbed or tank options and a decent price!