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 Posted: Apr 23, 2007 - 08:59 AM
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Although it has been said before: roasted beans stay fresh for about 1 week.
You can't expect Illy to deliver fresh beans to their customers. Logistics just prevent this.
So lower your hopes to find "fresh" Illy. |
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Posted: Apr 24, 2007 - 07:06 AM
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All jokes set aside about the stale Illy blend, I know what the OP refers to. Even stale Illy has a distinct Illy flavour that appeals to me. Having said that, last time I had a home-brewed Illy is probably 5 years ago.
Unfortunately I have never tasted a fresh Illy and I have no idea how to recreate it either. |
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Posted: Apr 24, 2007 - 08:58 AM
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OK, no more jokes then. I actually have had fresh Illy. It was in castle Miramar in Trieste, however it was very long ago. I have no idea anymore what it tasted like. All the rest of the Illy coffee I have had has been stale and the flavour was that of stale coffee, somewhat reminiscent of the taste of stale Lavazza (I have never tasted fresh Lavazza either). If anyone gets to Trieste, the home of Illy, they should try the coffee there...and visit Miramar (which was restored under the direction of my great-grandfather over 100 years ago).
I do know this, however: The main bean is Brazilian. There is always some Indian Mysore and/or MM in it. I am guessing that it is this component that gives Illy its characteristic flavour, whatever that is. There are also usually some central American coffees in it as well.
Illy invented the use of inert gas storage (evacuating the cans and replacing the air with nitrogen and/argon). They insist that this keeps the beans fresh for 24 months and that the beans undergo an "aging process" like red wine...so that perhaps it is this "aging" that gives Illy its particular flavour.
Illy offers their espresso blend as "medium roast" and "dark roast." I don't think I've ever tasted the dark roast. If I see some I may buy a can just to try. I will report back here if I live through it. (ohhhh, forgot about not joking)   |
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Posted: Apr 24, 2007 - 10:34 PM
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ivdp wrote:
Although it has been said before: roasted beans stay fresh for about 1 week.
You can't expect Illy to deliver fresh beans to their customers. Logistics just prevent this.
So lower your hopes to find "fresh" Illy.
roasted beans stay fresh in a one way valve bag for 6 months before they go downhill,if stored in a cool dry place, that's a fact. |
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Posted: Apr 24, 2007 - 10:43 PM
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Not sure if your trying to wind me up or not Scott, so I'm going to sit in the corner and nod  |
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Posted: Apr 25, 2007 - 12:44 AM
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| Ah well, this discussion again! Every now and then I change camps , but when I open a bag that I know is 2-3 months old and the coffee that I make out of it is as good as I remember it to be from another bag I had 2-3 months ago - well, then I'm thinking about the possibility of coffee that was kept fresh in a valve bag for 2-3 months. It also seems to go downhill quite fast after opening, but that's not what we're talking about here, ain't it? |
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Posted: Apr 25, 2007 - 08:25 AM
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scottwhite wrote:
ivdp wrote:
Although it has been said before: roasted beans stay fresh for about 1 week.
You can't expect Illy to deliver fresh beans to their customers. Logistics just prevent this.
So lower your hopes to find "fresh" Illy.
roasted beans stay fresh in a one way valve bag for 6 months before they go downhill,if stored in a cool dry place, that's a fact.
Absolutely! I have some lima beans in the pantry and they've been there in a one way valve bag for 6 months and they're as good as new! That's a fact. |
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Posted: Apr 25, 2007 - 02:38 PM
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roasted beans stay fresh in a one way valve bag for 6 months before they go downhill,if stored in a cool dry place, that's a fact.
I am not going to respond to that... I am not going to respond to that... 
I am not going to r-r-r-r-r... R-IDICULOUS!  |
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Posted: Apr 25, 2007 - 05:51 PM
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Steve wrote:
Not sure if your trying to wind me up or not Scott, so I'm going to sit in the corner and nod
Not at all, comment is not directed at anyone, just as far as I am concerned it is a fact, the only place I have ever heard different from is on here.
That includes roasters, vendors, customers all the way along the line everyone says the same thing.
I understand where you are coming from but when I hear people say it has to be ground and drunk near immediately, well, I think they are wrong. |
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Posted: Apr 25, 2007 - 06:12 PM
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Posted: Apr 25, 2007 - 06:14 PM
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bruceb wrote:
Absolutely! I have some lima beans in the pantry and they've been there in a one way valve bag for 6 months and they're as good as new! That's a fact.
Yes Bruce but have you tried making espresso from them?  |
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Posted: Apr 25, 2007 - 06:29 PM
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GreenBean wrote:
bruceb wrote:
Absolutely! I have some lima beans in the pantry and they've been there in a one way valve bag for 6 months and they're as good as new! That's a fact.
Yes Bruce but have you tried making espresso from them?
Wellllll, no, but they're great in stews.
In fact, this is something we don't need to argue about at all, at least not us home roasters or those of us who have really fresh beans available. Just put them in a valve bag, store them for 2 weeks and try them. If you like the results it's fine. If you find, as many of us have, that they have lost most of their character or have a somehwat stale and/or rancid flavour to them then that's fine, too. Whatever the result, you know what you have to do in regard to storing your coffee. |
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Posted: Apr 25, 2007 - 06:44 PM
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bruceb wrote:
In fact, this is something we don't need to argue about at all, at least not us home roasters or those of us who have really fresh beans available. Just put them in a valve bag, store them for 2 weeks and try them. If you like the results it's fine. If you find, as many of us have, that they have lost most of their character or have a somehwat stale and/or rancid flavour to them then that's fine, too. Whatever the result, you know what you have to do in regard to storing your coffee.
Absolutely Bruce. If I get my planning wrong and have beans older than about seven days I save them for seasoning the group heads after cleaning with Cafiza. They seem to be as good for this as fresh beans.  |
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Posted: Apr 25, 2007 - 07:10 PM
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I can taste the difference in coffee stored for a while if it has previously been opened and then resealed. There also seems to be less abundance in the crema in those circumstances too. That said, it seems to be less obvious to me in beans that have only been sealed once and stored. I think bean type and roast profiles are variables that make a difference to the end result too.
Although for me there is nothing to beat freshly roasted beans, I have been surprised in the past by some roasts that have been stored for a little while. The variances of alchemy is my theory.
Bruce about hits it on the head for me. Most home enthusiasts will not be using beans more than a few days old and will probably not bother storing them for any length of time, but everyone should just do what makes them comfortable |
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Posted: Apr 25, 2007 - 08:41 PM
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I'm going to tell you Scott I've spent a lot of time around speciality coffee people and I've spoken to a lot of speciality coffee buyers, both wholesale and home users, and they all agree that coffee ages incredibly quickly. Longer than six weeks they are stale, and the difference in the cup is marked. I can also tell you that’s a fact. In fact I'll go as far as to say that older than a month and it stale.
Not directed at anyone and certainly not you, but the only people I've ever heard say different are people selling that stale coffee, or the old school roasters who don’t understand that coffee can taste of anything apart from bitter and roast.
It may not be directed at anyone but what you question is something that my very life is built on, and I don’t just think fresh coffee is better I know it. And how do I know, I cup and taste coffee every day of my life, I also have to taste other peoples coffee most days, just to understand what’s out there, and also comparisons for new wholesale customers. And I’ve yet to find anyone that’s picked there stale offerings over something that’s fresh, and that’s on a blind table every time, many times.
So debates good, difference of opinions good, but when you throw one out there like that, I’m sorry I’m going to bite away |
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