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Post subject: Starbucks buy Clover!  PostPosted: Mar 19, 2008 - 09:58 PM



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FYI - Starbucks have bought the Coffee Equipment Co, makers of the Clover. Some more details here :

http://www.tradingmarkets.com/.site/news/Stock%20News/1221296/

(edit: the site has an annoying advert, so best mute your speakers before visiting!)

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Post subject: RE: Starbucks buys Clover!  PostPosted: Mar 19, 2008 - 10:08 PM



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Before anyone slags it all off, I say go for it. The proof will be in the pudding so to speak. If they can genuinly improve the whole experince then that can only be a good thing.

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Post subject: RE: Starbucks buys Clover!  PostPosted: Mar 19, 2008 - 10:09 PM



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Post subject: RE: Starbucks buys Clover!  PostPosted: Mar 19, 2008 - 10:46 PM



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No, I agree. If starbucks can generate widespread public interest in speciality coffee then the whole thing can begin to expand and more high quality crops will be produced. That is of course so long as they improve the quality of their roasting. I have read that Starbucks do in fact buy some of the best beans available but spoil them with overly dark roasts and the logistical problems of distributing huge volumes of roasted coffee with a short shelf life.

If this situation is improved and Starbucks serve fresh well roasted high quality arabica from a Clover in their stores then isn't this what we've always wanted? I think most people secretly want *$ to stay crap so we can bash them from our coffee snob pedestals, but it shows they are listening and I hope it happens. Can't help thinking they'll screw it up somehow though.

What I worry about is whether they will still allow the Clover machine to be made available to outside customers, not jealously keeping it to themselves.
 
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Post subject: RE: Starbucks buys Clover!  PostPosted: Mar 19, 2008 - 11:08 PM



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Starbucks started by using La Marzocco machines and look where they are now. So using Clovers wont make a difference!

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I was just on my way here to say the same thing, but looks like you've beaten me to it. This will undoubtably be mentioned on blogs far and wide over the coming weeks, but personally I'm not sure how to feel about the purchase. I guess on one hand it could be good for the public perception of coffee, then again with Starbucks' beans that may not be a good thing. We'll can only wait and see.

The article I saw on coffeeratings.com also mentioned Starbucks' new espresso machines, the Mastrena, which Howard Stern says is “an unbelievable tool that will provide us with the highest-quality, consistent shot of espresso that will be second to none,” Is this an espresso based Skynet? Are machines taking over? It's sad to say but based on a lot of coffee out there, this can only be an improvement.

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Wow. I'm shocked. What a smart move. Best PR, best machine, buy the hype and all technologies are belong to them (so to speak). Wow. Very, very impressive. Wow.

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I would have titled this "Wildly overpriced machine joins wildly overpriced coffee drinks."

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Smile So with the combination of both, things are only to get more overpriced.

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Hey! The only way is UP! Twisted Evil

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but what goes up, must come down . . .

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Not true. Neither prices nor taxes ever come down. Wink

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hmm . . . you got me there. Although in New Zealand, being on the other side of the world, it looks like our taxes are in fact going down.

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Most people who have tried Clover have been very pleased with what's in the cup. Shulz's advisers are smart enough to roast lighter for the clover and leave the dark stuff for the superautos. Also the lighter roast will save money on the electric bills.

I can understand why Starbucks would want to marry good beans to Clover and install a couple of machines per milkbar - but why did he need to buy CMC to achieve this?

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Post subject:   PostPosted: Mar 21, 2008 - 10:23 AM



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kingseven predicted the rise and spread of the Clover on his blog at the beginning of the year

"I am hoping this year sees people less obsessed with it as new technology and start to treat as a standard brewing device moving emphasis away from the machine back to the coffee. I could be really brave and predict that Starbucks will start using them, but I think the guys at Clover would curse me for jinxing them! I also predict I’ll buy a couple this year, but I am fairly sure that will come true….." http://www.jimseven.com/2008/01/02/5-predictions-for-coffee-in-2008/

you jinxed them JIM!!!

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