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GeoffsCigars
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Post subject: Espresso making according to Which? magazine
 Posted: Nov 14, 2009 - 02:51 PM
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I've been lurking around here for some time, and am so grateful for what I've learned.
But the current edition of Which?, that I've received this morning, has spurred me into posting in indignation.
Best buy is the Argos Cookworks 423/0560 at £39!
Taste judging done by the head buyer at Whittard of Chelsea.
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Post subject: RE: Espresso making according to Which? magazine
Posted: Nov 14, 2009 - 05:42 PM
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Wow! I guess I'm going to have to get one of those. I see that Argos also has a Russell Hobbs Essentials Mini Chopper for just £13.29. Why should I spend 1000 quid on a big, heavy coffee grinder when I can get one of those?
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Three Francesconi (CMA) espresso machines - Rossi, San Marco, LaCimbali, Faema and 2 Mazzer Major grinders- CoffeeTech Maggionlino, Hottop, Alpenröst and HW Precision roasters.
This week I are sick and tired of all the snow. 
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Post subject: RE: Espresso making according to Which? magazine
Posted: Nov 15, 2009 - 07:49 PM
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| I may sell my current setup - what a fool I have been! |
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petikas
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Post subject: RE: Espresso making according to Which? magazine
Posted: Nov 15, 2009 - 09:42 PM
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Giles Hilton, head buyer for Whittards said (about the espresso temperature in the cup), "We are looking for an average temperature no cooler than 60°C and no hotter than 88°C. "
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Posted: Nov 15, 2009 - 09:59 PM
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And according to this "expert" or Which.
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Good coffee machines take less than 15 seconds to make 30ml and stop dripping.
We've all been doing it wrong.   |
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DrTom
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Posted: Nov 15, 2009 - 10:10 PM
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I feel I have wasted a good 3 years of my life. And for what? To find I have done it wrong? How am I supposed to change now - you can't teach an old dog new tricks, I heard.
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Posted: Nov 15, 2009 - 10:17 PM
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... or watch the video
http://magic.sc-streaming.com/player/shell.asp?campaignID=381_4387
Giles does say about 20secs for an espresso. But the tamping technique with pre-ground coffee is interesting.
And what he calls crema !! |
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Espresso: BFC TCI Lira.
Grinders: Eureka Mignon (2), Mahlkonig Guatemala,
Roaster: Gene Cafe.
Retired... Cimbali Junior, Cimbali Alinox.
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petikas
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Posted: Nov 15, 2009 - 10:44 PM
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| eew he is using dirty portafilter and milk pitcher, disgusting! And how on earth did he manage that terrible soap foam with a froth aid on the gaggia. When i had that on on mine i just had to stick the frother in and just wait, and i always got semi decent steamed milk (microfoam was possible with practice) |
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Posted: Nov 16, 2009 - 12:46 AM
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Edit: Re-post....
Life is so much more than slagging off this fella...if he enjoys it, so what? |
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Posted: Nov 16, 2009 - 01:07 PM
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espressomattic wrote:
Edit: Re-post....
Life is so much more than slagging off this fella...if he enjoys it, so what?
1. He is an expert. SCAE.
2. Espresso should take no more than 15 seconds, and look like dishwater,
3. and can be best produced from a 40 quid steam driven machine.
4. using pre-ground coffee.
We know that he is "incorrect". But thousands of Which? magazine readers are going to believe him. That, IMHO does not serve the public or Espresso community. |
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Espresso: BFC TCI Lira.
Grinders: Eureka Mignon (2), Mahlkonig Guatemala,
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Posted: Nov 16, 2009 - 01:13 PM
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| He serves whitards profits well tho.... |
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Posted: Nov 16, 2009 - 01:21 PM
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Hi guys,
well he can't say 'don't use pre-ground, use fresh coffee, a grinder and a proper machine' as this would be like putting out a message 'stop buying crap coffee at Whitards'.
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Posted: Nov 16, 2009 - 01:33 PM
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| I certainly agree with Julie Jane, it is exactly this kind of "journalism" that not only leads to and maintains the production of terrible espresso/coffee, but also leads to a misinformed public concerning everything from health and science issues to international politics. Good journalism is based on information gathering and a healthy, unprejudiced and non-political attitude. The Internet is unfortunately full of shills and charlatans, perhaps even more so than other forms of mass media. |
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Three Francesconi (CMA) espresso machines - Rossi, San Marco, LaCimbali, Faema and 2 Mazzer Major grinders- CoffeeTech Maggionlino, Hottop, Alpenröst and HW Precision roasters.
This week I are sick and tired of all the snow.
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Posted: Nov 16, 2009 - 02:12 PM
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We have taken to teeth grinding at night with beans in mouth. Usually enough grounds to produce a couple of espresso drinks in the morning. Produced in a Cookworks you could barely tell the difference 
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DrTom
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Posted: Nov 16, 2009 - 02:21 PM
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I have time and respect for anyone on any kind of journey of discovery - and there is no doubt that coffee is a 'journey'! However, I do have a problem when a self-respecting and often highly regarded institution feeds rubbish to it's user base - for whatever reason, using any media.
Of course for the price of the machine you'd be very lucky indeed to get a pre-loved Gaggia Coffee and I understand that maybe there was an agenda of pricing, but to have this review that then leads readers of Which? to buy it debases the integrity of Which?, which is a shame - there is some feedback on the review itself which is quite bad.
That said, I got some nice results with a Dualit 84009, which comes up for the same flavor of write-off reviews - and costs about 8 times as much! |
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