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Post subject: Cost of running an esspreso Machine?
 Posted: Nov 14, 2009 - 02:29 PM
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I guess this may be a "how long is a peace of string " question, buy hey I will ask anyway.
I have to say my electricity bill has been slightly concerning, a bit on the high side to say the least! I am trying to identify the main sources, and I assume the coffee machine will be one of these. I have always appreciated that the espresso machine won't be cheap to run, but have not looked into how much and justified it partly due to the fact we would not need to keep boiling a kettle 
I have the machine set on a timer, it comes on at around 06:30 in the morning and goes off at around 10:30 at night.
The machine is a single group, with a 5L un-lagged boiler, it is driven by a procon pump.
I am looking for an approximate running cost per day.
Any help appreciated with this thanks! |
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Posted: Nov 14, 2009 - 08:36 PM
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Sorry, but I can't help with a quick answer, but it is simple enough to find out.
Pick a day, note the electric meter reading and time.
Switch off espresso machine.
Go to work.
On your return, note the electric meter reading and time.
Switch espresso machine back on.
Following day do the smae but DON'T switch off the espresso machine.
Now with a few simple calculations, you know how much it costs per day, per hour.
I keep meaning to do this myself, but my meter is in the shed, and I can't do without my coffee!!! |
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Posted: Nov 14, 2009 - 09:47 PM
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Julie's method is the best to determine the power used, but the cost will depend upon the local charge for a kwhr. If you know that you can calculate the cost per day. There are inexpensive "utility cost" meters available, however they can be notoriously inaccurate.
Germany has the highest electricity prices in Europe at around 20 Euro Cent per kwhr. If the heater on the machine was on full time a 2kw heater would cost 40 Cent per hour. It isn't of course.
My 2kw machine heats about 10 minutes per hour when idling in the winter. Thus, it costs about 80 cents per 12 hour day (it is on a timer and turns on at 6 AM, off at 6 PM) or about 300 Euros per year. This gives you an idea of the ballpark in which we are playing.
BTW, the power consumed will also depend upon ambient temperature and amount of water that passes through the machine. |
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JMJ
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Posted: Nov 15, 2009 - 08:47 PM
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Hi,
It all depends on the volume of coffee you are making ??
or are you looking to work out the cost of the machine, sitting doing nothing?
You could buy a cheap energy monitor, they normally work the cost out for you.
The other factors you need to consider :-
1. The wear & tear on the machine. As you constantly turn it on and off
2. Scale build up. |
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Billt
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Posted: Nov 16, 2009 - 10:05 AM
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My Iberital L'Adri, which looks to be pretty simliar to your machine, used about 4 units a day when on from 7 am to 10 pm.
In domestic use actually making coffee won't make any noticeable difference to the consumption. (100w pump on 60 times for 30 seconds each is .05 units) |
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bruceb
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Posted: Nov 16, 2009 - 10:34 AM
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I would like to remind everyone that these inexpensive energy monitors can be inaccurate to as much as 50%.
Also, the effect of making coffee is not so much the pump running, but using hot water which has to then be replaced and heated. Theoretically, if one left the pump running the heater would have to be on 100% of the time. At the same time, however, Billt is absolutely correct in saying that in domestic use making coffee won't affect consumption. |
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DrTom
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Posted: Nov 16, 2009 - 11:08 AM
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I'd just like to chime in - I'm running a Rancilio Z9, de-tuned to run from a 13 Amp. UK socket. The only real cost you will notice is the cost of the heating element. I pay roughly 9 pence a kWh and have not noticed a horrendous rise in energy costs. Like others have mentioned, you could get a power meter, or if you are feeling brave, you could wire an Ammeter in-line with your plug for a day and just monitor it during activities(this is the option I'd go for) - especially when idle and heating. The beauty of getting a commercial power meter is that you can then develop a flavor of OCD - by measuring power consumption of all your appliances throughout your house. That sounds like a fun day to me  |
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Posted: Nov 16, 2009 - 02:16 PM
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| Our L'Anna cycles on for about 6 minutes per hour and costs about 22p a day. She is switched on for about 14 hours per day. This is the uninsulated calculation. From memory, there is an approximate saving of 8p-10p per day when insulated. |
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Posted: Nov 16, 2009 - 04:55 PM
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| My machine is on 24/7 and i calculated how much it cost to run. I seem to remember it came out at about £80 per month which i didn't think was bad at all. I'll see if i can find the calculations. |
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Posted: Nov 16, 2009 - 06:44 PM
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costs about 22p a day. She is switched on for about 14 hours per day
£80.30 /year
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about £80 per month which i didn't think was bad at all
£960 /year
Only had my machine a couple of months, really hope it runs like Cakeboy's. |
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Posted: Nov 16, 2009 - 11:02 PM
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| £960 sounds astronomicably high to me. Given that Bruce's uses around €300 worth of electricity a year with higher German power rates, even if left on 24 hours a day, I would be surprised if the bill got much over £500 a year for any machine. |
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Posted: Nov 16, 2009 - 11:26 PM
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| Does this mean that with the money CRPhillips is saving (that he thought he'd spent), he'll be able to throw us all a Christmas party? |
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Posted: Nov 17, 2009 - 08:52 AM
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lsjms wrote:
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costs about 22p a day. She is switched on for about 14 hours per day
£80.30 /year
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about £80 per month which i didn't think was bad at all
£960 /year
Only had my machine a couple of months, really hope it runs like Cakeboy's.
If my machine cost even half of that my wife would have made a tea drinker out of me. |
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Posted: Nov 19, 2009 - 09:48 PM
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Elektra A3 on 24/7 - 6L boiler which I've insulated was coming in at £150-£160 per annum when I did the calcs.
At 50 odd pence per day it's not the end of the world Had a take out coffee from Pret for the first time in months today which was over £2 (and quite acceptable btw) which helps me put it in perspective
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motoman
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Posted: Nov 20, 2009 - 10:20 AM
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I used to leave my espresso machine on all day until I got a Wattson meter,leaving it on all day saves power over heating from cold is a myth. I am saving more than enough to replace worn switches and the constant on/off of the element as it maintains the temperature.
I have already saved the close to £100.00 that the Wattson cost and with electricity prices on the up I have learned to turn off anything else that wastes power. |
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